Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Moderator: Dave_Holden

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:06 pm

This is my only piece of TR art and it has a story itself as you all know . The good news is that it will be shown on the antiques roadshow At 8pm on the Sunday 25th October :grin: ( Hollywood here I come ) and I will be signing books and rights after =)) =))

I explained to Paul everything I knew about it and he went away and came back after 15 mins and just told me what I told him in a different way =)) =))

I still havnt found out if it's the original mould , or any information about it and this is the only other one I have seen in bronze dated 1939

image.jpg


And here is the plaster lady fully resorted , and direct from Berchesgarden . :thumbsup:

image.jpg


image.jpg


image.jpg


image.jpg


image.jpg


image.jpg


image.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:09 pm

You know how I feel about this statue Andy - beautiful piece of art and much more valuable than you think.

Any chance of recording the show and posting on here??

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:23 pm

I will try , I will set my phone or iPad up and try and record it so it's on my gadget , but then , oh iam a ficky =)) =))

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:35 am

Great Andy - see what you can do.

Just noticed is your fantastic sculpture standing on the Eva Braun table cloth?

85ronnies
Posts: 1061
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:50 am

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby 85ronnies » Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:45 pm

I love iit when you post pictures up Andy :)) x_x x_x #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

Tug1970
Posts: 349
Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:07 pm
Location: South West, England.

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Tug1970 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:22 pm

Truly insane........twas like medieval times! =))

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:03 pm

If you want a real laugh , check out Antiques roadshow from the Sunday 25 th on BBC I player or catch up :thumbsup:

Yes Hollywood here I come =)) =))

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:26 am

Saw it Andy and recorded it off of filmon - I liked the way they filmed it against the sky, showed it in all its beauty :thumbsup:

Ian Hulley
Posts: 290
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:30 am
Location: Derbyshire

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Ian Hulley » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:32 am

I saw you too ....

I said to Jack ... Oh look there's Andy off the Forum, hob knobbing with all the 'experts' =)) Didn't even mention Broadsword I says :-j

Ian

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:59 am

It's funny Ian , I should have mentioned Broadsword , Doahhhhh
The only thing I learnt of him was Sonnenwend was to to with the summer solstice , that's it , every thing else I had previously told him and he repeated it on camera =)) =))

Ian Hulley
Posts: 290
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:30 am
Location: Derbyshire

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Ian Hulley » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:02 am

Fine pair of raspberry ripples the old girl's got on her hasn't she \:D/ :-h

pepe le pew
Posts: 652
Joined: Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:13 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby pepe le pew » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:20 pm

Ian Hulley wrote:I saw you too ....

I said to Jack ... Oh look there's Andy off the Forum, hob knobbing with all the 'experts' =)) Didn't even mention Broadsword I says :-j

Ian


Didn`t wear your Broadsword T shirt either, jolly bad form old boy. :lol:

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:48 pm

Ian the only reason I didn't wear my broadsword t shirt was

SO I LET MY SELF GO A LITTLE =)) =))

image.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Ian Hulley
Posts: 290
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:30 am
Location: Derbyshire

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Ian Hulley » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:18 pm

Andyb wrote:Ian the only reason I didn't wear my broadsword t shirt was

SO I LET MY SELF GO A LITTLE


No comment, pot and kettle etc etc O:-)

Ian

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:27 pm

I may have some good news ,as you know I have been searching and searching for more information about the good lady and I am in contact with a gallery in the USA called Jennmaur Gallery which specialises in pieces like mine and this is the reply I had. , I am still In contact and will update you further with the other questions I gave asked them :thumbsup:

http://jennmaur.com/

Hello:
I have checked artprice and this particular nude has never come up for auction. It is very possible your plaster could be the original for any bronzes which exist. Unlikely any edition was ever made of this one beyond 1-three or max 10 bronzes. If your piece is very large any editions would be small.
Thank you
Jeanne at Jennmaur Gallery

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:25 pm

Like I said many times Andy, you have something very special there. The source is everything with this piece believe me. Things like this take a long time to research but you will see what will develop - its a classic bit of TR Art, worth much more than you paid for it.

Cheers Dave.

85ronnies
Posts: 1061
Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:50 am

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby 85ronnies » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:40 pm

Ian Hulley wrote:Fine pair of raspberry ripples the old girl's got on her hasn't she \:D/ :-h


I beleive it was very cold when she posed for this sculpture :)) :))

PHILBROWN
Posts: 1245
Joined: Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:26 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby PHILBROWN » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:49 pm

any link to the roadshow with you on andy? :thumbsup:

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:48 pm

Phil , I don't think there are any links but when you come to our house you can watch it over and over and over and over again , oh and watch it one more time before you go =)) =)) =))

I gave it recorded :thumbsup: :grin:

EwanS
Posts: 527
Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:34 pm
Location: UK

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby EwanS » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:59 pm

this is a belter of a peace this mate :thumbsup:

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:33 am

This is a very special item and even more so with recent findings. I was with Andy when he found this in Berchtesgaden - its even appeared on the Antique Roadshow :thumbsup:

Can one of you Mods help to turn the photos the correct way around - it just wont do it for me, sorry chaps.

Tailgunnerdownunder
Posts: 3613
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:53 am
Location: NSW Australia

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:21 pm

Just had the opportunity to read this thread from start to finish. Very interesting sculpture and like everyone else would love to know the history on it. Regards Mark.

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:35 pm

I will let Andy tell you what he has found out - this really is a very special piece of art, but I knew this due to its source :thumbsup:

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:42 pm

Welcome back Andy :thumbsup: :grin:

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:30 pm

Hello everyone , it's great to be back , I will post a little note on the open forum :thumbsup:

As to the sculpture, I have been emailing museums and art galleries etc over the years and some reply with limited knowledge and some don't reply and some frown because of the time period and who it is accociated with :shock:

Last week I finally got some positive information from the German gallery of art , the gentleman who I was in contact with, knows Robert who I purchased it from so there is no issue with its provenance and he knows about Liebermanns work. He said my sculpture is more likely to be 99.9% , the original plaster sculpture as Liebermann only made one piece for his moulds , other artist may have copied this piece but they would not have been the exact detail and size.

He also said to have the sculpture examined by a professional to see if the age and type of plaster matches up to the date of it being made (1939) , which I have already done when it was repaired after its trip back from Austria with the gentle hands of the airlines ~x( , the lady who repaired her had no issues with it being genuine and not a modern day reproduction.

So finally I have an answer which is great news and when you add everything up , it must be the original and that's why you never see hardly any plaster sculptures for sale from the artist because he only made one and they will have probably being destroyed or lost over the years and that's why you only see bronze and ceramic pieces for sale on Internet sites .

Next year , it will be trying to put a value on the piece by contacting international art auctioneers and seeing what they come up with , :thumbsup:

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:46 pm

You have a fantastic piece of art there Andy - make sure you are sitting down when they tell you what its worth. I have a buyer for this if you ever want to sell - (no not me as I cant afford it once you know its true value) :grin:

These great items are still out there and my good friends in Berchtesgaden always let me know when something special is coming into the open once again. Your Sonnenwend belongs in a museum mate - truly great piece of TR Art from one of the Master Sculptures :thumbsup:

Tailgunnerdownunder
Posts: 3613
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:53 am
Location: NSW Australia

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:16 pm

Wow Andy what a find on your part :thumbsup: amazing thread. Congratulations and thanks for taking the time to update this. Regards Mark

Dave_Holden
Site Admin
Posts: 2832
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:45 am
Location: Best kept secret in Europe!!

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Dave_Holden » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:51 am

A little info on this Master Sculpture - from Wikipédia:

Ferdinand Liebermann (15 January 1883, Judenbach — 28 November 1941, Munich) was a German sculptor.

Liebermann was educated at the Academy of Fine Arts in Munich. During the Third Reich he received numerous state commissions and served as artistic adviser to the city council of Munich. He sculpted numerous portrait busts of Hitler, including one for the Munich Rathaus. At the "Great German Art Exhibitions" (Große Deutsche Kunstausstellungen) in the Haus der Kunst he exhibited a total of 16 works. He also completed a bronze bust of Hitler's niece Geli Raubal, from which Hitler had numerous copies made for display in his residences.

Andyb
Posts: 1387
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Andyb » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:04 pm

Well still searching here and there to find new information and I came across this piece that I had not seen before and it looks like a resemblance to the Sonnenwend which makes me wonder , did he use the same model for both pieces as Well as the face features , the body looks the same especially the boobs , yes Iam being serious and not perverted =)) =)). Plus if anyone want to watch the antiques roadshow , it’s on you tube and just type in antique roadshows , Bollsover castle :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

What do you think regarding the similarities or am I just paranoid =))

88F47A79-07C9-41EF-A307-EEBA3D9BE2E8.png


3C117AF9-0122-4248-86A2-F2AE5443A7CD.jpeg


278751E6-1350-47B8-B08C-944DA8EEA789.jpeg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Tailgunnerdownunder
Posts: 3613
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:53 am
Location: NSW Australia

Re: Ferdinand Liebermann sonnenwend

Postby Tailgunnerdownunder » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:13 am

Interesting stuff indeed Andy. I’m no expert on this area so I will leave to others for their opinion. I can say however that it certainly looks a closer match than Boris Johnson is to Winston Churchill :lol: :lol:

I wish you good luck with this. :thumbsup:

Regards Mark.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest